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Hartman Backdoor pilot
Got your message. What did you have in mind? Nashwalker 02:11, November 23, 2019 (UTC)
Not bad. Is that the only idea you have? Nashwalker 19:38, November 23, 2019 (UTC)
Hmm... I would go with Denver in the Family Justice Unit. You planning to make this series yourself? And you got a name for it? Nashwalker 00:50, November 24, 2019 (UTC)
I see. Need any help with this? Or any suggestions on how to make it better? Nashwalker 05:25, November 24, 2019 (UTC)
Well, maybe the format should be that the season should have an ongoing case involving a specific family throughout the season, while also having the usual case-of-the-week for each episode. Plus a few suggestions on the characters. Change Dave's first name to "Drake" since it sounds a little more Irish, also give him and Katherine a son named Finn, 10-years-old. Change Miguel's last name to Ruiz, have him be twice-divorced with three children from both marriages, but keep the womanizing part as a present time-thing since after his second divorce. Change Mary's actress, since if this is going to be a 2019 starting series, she is 13 in real life and too old to play an 8-year-old. Change Jack Fletcher's name to "Jackson Holmes", Andrea's last name to "Donnell", and Doyle's first name to "Trent". Those names sound more fitting. Nashwalker 06:08, November 24, 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good. And like the idea. Nashwalker 16:19, November 24, 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good. Nashwalker 21:55, November 24, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, good idea. Nashwalker 05:57, November 25, 2019 (UTC)
Nice. Just change Mario's last name. I was thinking to the name "Nazario". Nashwalker 07:50, November 26, 2019 (UTC)
Two parts you can have episodes 15 and 16. Nashwalker 04:46, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
Ramsay and Vargas should go with Hartman to Denver. And the Gordon Fontana case will have the Denver detectives unnerved and shaken to the core particularly as to how Fontana got away with his crimes for so long. Nashwalker 09:48, December 2, 2019 (UTC)
Hey, um a couple more suggestions about some of your characters for your spin-off: Jackson should be newly married and be expecting his first child, and Trent should be openly gay and with a boyfriend. Also, I feel that you should keep Officer Francis and D.A. Bishop as recurring characters for season 1, and then upgrade them to regulars for season 2. Nashwalker 01:11, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
Maybe I can help you with those:
- Drake's older sister Amanda died in a car accident six years prior, leaving behind a husband and two young sons whom Drake maintains contact with. His younger sister Lydia is married with four children of her own and living in Chicago.
- Andrea should have two daughters (you can choose their names), and is trying to raise them as strong, smart independent young women.
- Nazario's wife died over a decade ago, and he never remarried. He has two children who live in other states.
- Francis is single, childless, and has a twin sister who works as a doctor at a local hospital.
- Bishop has been married for 24 years and has five children (two boys and three girls) and several grandchildren. Due to his conservative views, he was estranged from one of his daughters after she came out as a lesbian, but they have since patched things up.
Nice work. Nashwalker 09:59, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the Hartman episode. But you might want to work on your grammar a little in the future. Just saying. Nashwalker 02:35, December 16, 2019 (UTC)
Change it to Nicholas Gonzalez. Nashwalker 20:01, December 31, 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I have three new recurring characters for The Sullivans:
- Dr. Robinetta Cooke: The local M.E. who assists the FJU on cases involving death. She is a former Navy Medic and once had an oxy addiction that stemmed from an injury in the line of duty. She is widowed with a biological preteen daughter and an adopted young son. She is portrayed by Kellita Smith.
- C.J. Winston: A witty, Yale-educated forensic specialist who works with the FJU. He is the younger brother of Cleo Winston from Law & Order: New Orleans and Cara Winston from Hartman. He has a steady girlfriend who works as a private forensic accountant. He is potrayed by Tahj Mowry.
- Dr. Kendall Fleiss: A forensic psycologist and criminal profiler who is assigned to the FJU mid-season. Formerly with the Department of Homeland Security, she helped get into the minds of terrorists and sleeper agents, before deciding to take a job slightly more toned down for her family's sake. She is married and has five children. She is portrayed by Odette Annable.
What do you think? Nashwalker 00:52, January 21, 2020 (UTC) Nice! I like them! Nashwalker 02:54, January 21, 2020 (UTC)
I like it, but how many years before the series should it be? I would suggest 15. And also, a couple more suggestions:
- Emily Deschanel should play Drake's sister Amanda in flashbacks or episodes set in the past during the years before her death (perhaps maybe including the episode you just suggested?). She should be a defense attorney who is following in her father's footsteps to eventually become a judge prior to her untimely death. And she represents her brother in his case.
- David Ramsey should play Owen Graves, Lydia's husband and father of their four children. He is a Chicago police sergeant and a former Navy SEAL, who is dedicated to his family.
What do you think? Nashwalker 14:38, January 21, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, and for Rachel, I'd suggest Edie Falco. And also, for the flashback episode do you have an outline as to how the case against Drake is built, and what the evidence that clears him and implicates another of his former girlfriend's exes is? Nashwalker 19:41, January 21, 2020 (UTC)
Nice. Well, I think the story should be this: 15 years prior to the series, Drake (in his mid-20s) returns from his fourth tour of duty after being honorably discharged. He has served in the Marines since out of high school for six years, made the rank of Staff Sergeant, and amassed many medals and commendations. Now a civilian, he now struggles with what to do with his life now, and with PTSD from some of the combat he took part in. He lives with his parents until he can get on his feet. One night he goes to a bar and meets New ADA Katherine Ashford. They seemed to hit it off, but soon found themselves at odds with the differing personalities. Then, Drake's old high school sweetheart Sharon Carlyle, daughter of a promient family came around. After some conversation between the three, Drake takes Sharon home. When they get to her front door, Sharon hopes to reconnect with Drake by getting him to open up about his military experiences. This triggers his PTSD and he hostily refuses; it's revealed that they had broken up after Drake second tour for the same reasons. The two argue, and Drake loses his temper and injures his hand after punching a wall. He shakes off Sharon's attempts to help him, and she, fed up goes into her house, though not before giving Drake some parting advice: he shouldn't be afraid to ask for help, to connect with people, or to live life in general by letting his PTSD and uncertainty about his future get the better of him.
Drake returns to the bar, but finds that Katherine has left. He drinks himself drunk, and then leaves the bar and sleeps of the drunk in his car. The next morning, he decides to go back to Sharon's place to apologize in person. When he arrives, he finds her front door open, and goes inside to investigate. He finds the place ransacked, discovers Sharon's dead body, bound, gagged, beaten and raped and then is ambushed and knocked out from behind. When he comes to, the police, including then-Sergeant Eugene Winder are there. Drake tells them his story, but is unable to provide a solid enough alibi due to not remembering much due to his drinking. In addition, a nosy neighbor reveals that she had seen him and Sharon arguing the night before and of his outburst and injuring his hand. That, coupled with the later discovery from his military medical files about his PTSD and the lack of evidence of any other person being in the house (it's later revealed that whoever killed Sharon likely used protection when raping her), leads to Drake being arrested for rape and murder.
At Drake's arraignment, his sister Amanda represents him, and his entire family comes to watch as does Sharon's. Surprisingly the Carlyles don't believe that Drake killed Sharon. Drake also discovers that Katherine is working second chair in his case, with the first chair being ambitious ADA Milo Stetler. Despite Amanda's best attempts to get him ROR or a reasonable bail, citing his close ties to the community, being the son of a prominent judge, and him willing to give up all potential methods of fleeing, the judge remands Drake to custody pending trial, citing the case being high profile and feeling that Drake's military training makes him a danger to society.
While in jail, Drake is forced to fend off several criminals who have it out for his father for helping put them there, while his family builds a defense for his case. The prosecution paints Drake as a soldier suffering from PTSD and inability to be a civilian again and desperately wanting relief from his combat experiences with sex, and then losing control and killing Sharon for refusing to submit to his desires, using previous incidents of PTSD as examples. Amanda, however, paints him as a caring man, who despite his struggles, was taught to respect women above all, and as a person with a sense of duty and morality, citing his accomplishments in the military.
Ultimately, the case appears to be an even-split with the jury during deliberations, but Katherine suspects that something is off, and tells her mentor, then-ADA Andrew Bishop about her gut feeling. They then go to Susan Medina, the lead DA investigator in the case, who says that she found video evidence that could potentially exhonorate Drake, but Stetler has not presented it at all. Unable to access the evidence without Stetler's okay, and believing that he is committing a Brady violation, Katherine digs into Stetler's texts and find that he has recently been in contact with Louis Addison, Colorado state senator, regarding taking care of something regarding "the Marine". Ryan reveals that Drake went to school with the Addison's two sons for years With probable cause, Katherine with Ryan, Medina and Winder visits the Addisons, regarding this. Their visit spooks the Addison's youngest son Henry, whom they later catch trying to dispose a bag of what they discover to be bloody clothes, duct tape, and a baseball bat.
When questioned, Henry remorsefully breaks down reveals that he had been in love with Sharon for years, but could never get with her due to her being in love with Drake. He finally got the chance after she broke up with Drake, but the relationship only lasted a few months, mainly due to his clinginess. He became obsessed with her and jealous of her later relationships, and tried to win her back, but she refused each time. That night, he broke into her house and waited. When Drake dropped her off, he overheard their arguement. After she entered the house, he confronted her and tried to get her to return to him. he refused and tried to call the cops when he refused to leave, he lost his temper and beat her, tied her up and gagged her, and raped her (using a condom). While raping her, he removed her gag and desperately tried to get her to admit her love for him. When she again refused, he then lost it again strangled her to death as he finished raping her. Afterwards, he spent the entire night cleaning up as much evidence as he could. When Drake returned the next morning just as he was finishing cleaning up, Henry knocked him out and ran out the back door. He told his father what happened and Louis promised to handle everything.
Ryan then confronts Louis, who then admits that he persuaded Stetler to withhold the evidence that cleared Drake to ensure conviction and bury his son's involvement in return of political support for Stetler's runs for D.A. and later, Governor. Ryan lambasts Louis for his willingness to let Drake take the fall for Henry's crime. Louis said that he had to protect his son, and ask if Drake had committed the murder, would he have done the same? Ryan replies that Drake would've had to own up to his mistakes, but he would have asked for leniency and would have still been there for his son. Henry and Louis are both arrested (the former for rape and murder, the latter for evidence tampering and obstruction of justice), and Drake is cleared of all charges and released. Katherine fills in Bishop, and they and Ryan confront Stetler over his misconduct and corruption. Stetler remorselessly brushes off his actions, citing that the last thing the world needs is another crazed war vet when they could have a DA or governor who could do so much better, which earns him a punch from Ryan. The three then report Stetler to the bar and he is disbarred for his Brady violation and unethical practices.
Later, Winder recommends that Drake become a cop after he deals with his PTSD. Drake decides to take Sharon's last advice to him to start living again, and accepts the offer and starts a relationship with Katherine and... as they say, the rest is history.
What do you think? Nashwalker 22:38, January 21, 2020 (UTC)
It's great! Nashwalker 03:44, January 22, 2020 (UTC)
I have a few more recurring character suggestions for The Sullivans:
- Anna Diop should play Holmes' wife Kim Quincy-Holmes. The two have known each other since middle school. She works as a nurse and the two are expecting their first child.
- David Gallagher should play Katherine's younger brother, Joey Ashford. He makes a comfortable living as a writer, and has published multiple best-selling crime novels under the pseudonym J.T. Asher. He has a girlfriend but their relationship is troubled due to his unwillingness to open up to her about his past due to the murders of his parents and two of his older siblings. He lives in New York and is estranged from Katherine due to his difficulty in dealing with his trauma.
- Warren Christie should play Sgt. Landon Kruger in the backdoor pilot, and like Amanda, should appear in flashbacks or episodes that take place prior to the events of the backdoor pilot.
Nice, but um, let's not introduce so many recurring characters during the first season. Save the Holmes and Donnell extended family members for maybe season 2? Nashwalker 07:05, January 24, 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I think you should added the cast... (Ednasharon24534)
I was thinking for crossover, can we wait for longer because Law & Order: Dallas season 13 haven't been sorted? I mean did you check the page? Crossover needs the show on the same level but Dallas is far behind on first bar. And don't know what happened with Talix. (Ednasharon24534) (11.1.20)